ON THIS WEEK’S episode of Have a Nice Future, Gideon Lichfield and Lauren Goode talk to Mustafa Suleyman, the cofounder of DeepMind and InflectionAI. They discuss his new book, The Coming Wave, which outlines why our systems are not set up to deal with the next great leap in tech. Suleyman explains why it’s not crazy to suggest that chatbots could topple governments, and he argues for a better way to assess artificial intelligence. (Hint: it has to do with making a million dollars.)
Mustafa Suleyman’s book, The Coming Wave: Technology, Power, and the 21st Century’s Greatest Dilemma, comes out September 5. In the meantime you can check out WIRED’s coverage of DeepMind, Inflection AI, and all things artificial intelligence.
Lauren Goode is @LaurenGoode. Gideon Lichfield is @glichfield. Bling the main hotline at @WIRED.
You can always listen to this week’s podcast through the audio player on this page, but if you want to subscribe for free to get every episode, here’s how:
If you’re on an iPhone or iPad, just tap this link, or open the app called Podcasts and search for Have a Nice Future. If you use Android, you can find us in the Google Podcasts app just by tapping here. You can also download an app like Overcast or Pocket Casts and search for Have a Nice Future. We’re on Spotify too.
Note: This is an automated transcript, which may contain errors.
Gideon Lichfield: Oh God, no. I sound like a bad BBC presenter there. Sorry.
[Laughter]
Lauren Goode: I like the BBC.
[Music]
Gideon Lichfield: Hi, I’m Gideon Lichfield.
Lauren Goode: And I’m Lauren Goode. And this is Have a Nice Future, a podcast about how terrifyingly fast everything is changing.
Gideon Lichfield: Each week we talk to someone with big, audacious, and sometimes unnerving ideas about the future, and we ask them how we can all prepare to live in it.
Lauren Goode: Our guest this week is Mustafa Suleyman, the cofounder of AI company DeepMind, and more recently, the cofounder and CEO of Inflection AI.
Read the full article here







